tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2340684310301784591.post2377453733306222833..comments2024-01-03T19:16:07.361+08:00Comments on Arrested Development: Vote for Change?Elanorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15447273349249042635noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2340684310301784591.post-69922300006781627972007-04-21T14:27:00.000+08:002007-04-21T14:27:00.000+08:00How about Condorcet voting?You can see here the ar...How about Condorcet voting?<BR/>You can see <A HREF="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Condorcet_Method_argument_map.png" REL="nofollow">here</A> the argument for it.<BR/>And IMHO quite effectively put to effect at <A HREF="http://thefairest.info/" REL="nofollow">thefairest.info</A>zcerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635799267909581959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2340684310301784591.post-7262160553667705702007-04-20T22:06:00.000+08:002007-04-20T22:06:00.000+08:00'Voting for opposition is important because of the...'Voting for opposition is important because of the need to create political competition that could compel elected representatives to be accountable.'<BR/><BR/>Beautiful idea.<BR/><BR/>Except for one problem:<BR/><BR/>Accountability is a Malaysian concern that cuts across all communities. It is not ethnic-specific. One can start being interested in accountability, transparency etc. if one is able elegant lilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17647758116564831783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2340684310301784591.post-90483340793019379712007-04-20T15:17:00.000+08:002007-04-20T15:17:00.000+08:00cantab, you are taking the analogy too far. Althou...cantab, you are taking the analogy too far. Although selection pressures act on contemporary generations, evolution is a cumulative process. But voting is not quite like that. Selecting for the opposition doesn't lead us down an evolutionary path which we cant turn back from. There can very well be a huge improvement over the previous government if a good one is elected. Coz the elected zcerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635799267909581959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2340684310301784591.post-53887326448021635532007-04-20T13:21:00.000+08:002007-04-20T13:21:00.000+08:00Zcer: Voting for policy is equally useless. You ne...Zcer: Voting for policy is equally useless. You need some central figure to enforce what's right. Someone like a Darth Chewxy or something.<BR/><BR/>XAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2340684310301784591.post-16878146262532557652007-04-20T12:44:00.000+08:002007-04-20T12:44:00.000+08:00Well argued, Elanor. But I have to beg to differ.Y...Well argued, Elanor. But I have to beg to differ.<BR/><BR/>Your view of the democratic process is as an ongoing selection process. Give the incumbent enough stick or turn them over at a fast enough rate, they will get the idea that the public means business. Eventually, the desired outcome will be selected for (hopefully) when the politicians become savvy to our needs.<BR/><BR/>That, in my Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2340684310301784591.post-87683756159019894682007-04-20T03:05:00.000+08:002007-04-20T03:05:00.000+08:00Yeah, votes are a target for the politicians, thei...Yeah, votes are a target for the politicians, their incentive, and it is the voters job that these targets reflect their objectives, which is to have better governance.<BR/><BR/>We need to vote yes, to foster competition, but first we need to make sure what we are voting for. If we are more swayed by propaganda than by the policies the politicians propose, then the target of votes would reflect zcerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635799267909581959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2340684310301784591.post-35136603401727733992007-04-20T01:38:00.000+08:002007-04-20T01:38:00.000+08:00Powerful one-sided play with pre-set unfair rules ...Powerful one-sided play with pre-set unfair rules on different levels playing field and constant unfair tactics and morally not correct election practices used by politicians / political parties in power help them stay in office very easily.. so the general public view it not rational to waste time and effort to find out more information about what's being corrected / offered by other candidates Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2340684310301784591.post-46722512519590502592007-04-20T00:13:00.000+08:002007-04-20T00:13:00.000+08:00same guy as above :DX (what's with the bunny, btw?...same guy as above :D<BR/><BR/>X (what's with the bunny, btw?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2340684310301784591.post-78883337529046603322007-04-20T00:12:00.000+08:002007-04-20T00:12:00.000+08:00btw Elanor... your one vote isn't marginal for cha...btw Elanor... your one vote isn't marginal for change... so why bother? <BR/><BR/>I mean, there hasn't been an election where the results are determined by one vote (closest was in Buffalo, NY year 18xx) - Check Mulligan and Hunter, 2000.<BR/><BR/>Not worth my time and effort to go to a polling station under the hot sun, is there?<BR/><BR/>(In bangladesh, your vote actually counts, because you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2340684310301784591.post-57472465213121295982007-04-20T00:03:00.000+08:002007-04-20T00:03:00.000+08:00Tim Harford had a whole chapter on that and more i...Tim Harford had a whole chapter on that and more in his book, the Undercover Economist<BR/><BR/>XAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com